Ultimately, 0W-20, 0W-30, 5W-20, and 5W-30 will all work well. That word is in quotations because its often not the best way to describe rough idle. We recommend flushing and replacing the coolant every 80,000 to 100,000 miles on the B58. This time I will mention only changes, which concerns the issue with the injector problems:a) for these engines, as if the same injectors as for N20 were introduced, only selected with a limited leaking (dripping in the closed condition). We wrote a short post about the max boost here. Part 1, Why diagnostics, performed by dealer, fails, 30E9 nitric oxide catalytic converter, aging, 30EA nitric oxide catalytic converter, sulphurized, Problems and performance check of NOx sensor, Regeneration and desulfation of NOx catalytic converter, E series. To do that, connect to the EKP fuel pump module. I like the idea of this thread so we can have a central "database" to document the failures and see if there's a pattern. Normally, we recommend colder spark plugs on highly modded BMW engines. The Gen 2 B58 have newer HPFP and should better work under remapping. Part 2, Importance of the service procedures. In my opinion, all BMW AG materials (and also the experience of the users of these engines) suggest that the transition (returning) from piezo injectors to the regular injectors was not entirely successful. Because it is clear that each manufacturer tries to hide his problems. In 2010, the 335i received the updated N55 engine followed by the B58 in 2016, however, the model was rebranded to the 340i. Wonder if that crappy 0-20 oil has anything to do with it. Location: NY. However, some B58 stock turbos have been pushed beyond 23psi. After replacement, I would NOT upgrade DME to 17.2.9. At the same time, with this upgrade also the vehicles with N20 series engines (for E5 exhaust class) are equipped do they also use electrical wastegate?Unexpected kindness from the manufacturer. Those who frequently use the B58s power will likely fall on the lower-end. You can say we are somewhat N54 fanatics. Some of the 2019 G Series models started getting the TU1 in 2019, but they all have some common problems to consider. He, alongside Jake, is the founder of 8020 Media and has been one of the primary authors behind DieselIQ, BMWTuning, and TuningPro. Throttle and accelerator pedal. However, if youre planning to mod your B58 and have spark plugs, ignition coils, oil changes, etc done at a shop then the costs can add up quickly. We wrote a short post about the max boost here. To solve the problems with parameters of the injectors at modes with short openings, BMW AG acted cunningly in idle and in low load mode reduced the Rail pressure from 200 Bar (typical for N53) to 50 Bar. Join Date: May 2010 . BMWs B58 engine is a 3.0L inline-6 turbocharged, direct injection gasoline engine produced from 2016-present. It is an inline-6 double overhead cam (DOHC) engine. Originally Posted by G_B58. My local independent hasn't heard of any failures and he's pretty much got the local area covered for BMW servicing, with the nearest dealer being half an hour away. Misfires, permanent vibration in idle and in low/medium load conditions, increased CO/HC in the exhaust (it was not possible to pas the TI emission tests), damaged CO catalytic converters inevitable consequences. Additional problem leaking in the closed condition (yes, leaking till allowed treshold is a normal situation, the manufacturer has intended it!). 2007 Jectron Gasoline Fuel Injection Cleaner, 300 ml. Where could be the problem? Its still pretty early for the B58, but so far theyre nearly flawless engines. But did not have any other issues. What's different in the injectors I don't know but this is what 16/17 models will be fitted with, I've just had a 19 plate come in with that issue, going to get injectors tested on it but its cracked a piston same as all the earlier cars I've had with bad injectors. Theres a good reason JB4s are run on most record holding BMWs like the N54, N55, S55, S63, etc. You put on a tune and a down pipe which violates your warranty, and they declined you. Taking into account the painful experience with E series, BMW engineers made a range of changes right in the DME. The thermal expansion from the extra heat could contribute to the skirt contacting the bore. Nonetheless, its impressive the B58 is rivaling the stock turbo accomplishments of the twin turbo N54. We recommend Liqui Moly oil products for the B58. So far, the B58 won four Wards 10 Best Engine awards. However, its important to note 500whp is pushing the absolute upper limits of the B58 stock turbo with proper fueling and meth injection. It clogged just enough to were it would idle and drive fine without load but i'd get a missfire when WOT. Drives: M4. N43/N53 E and F series. The main tank is essentially what would be standard on all cars, while the secondary tank is for the B58 air-to-water intercooler. Again, the B58 seems to be highly reliable in its early days. Now becoming a common cause of poor running on these engines. Still confused. Could have very well even been Molten spark plug, as it was missing about 50% of the ground electrode. N20/N26. Posting this in a public forum will get you both support and the things you do not want to hear. I will start my story with the first DI injection family of BMW AG: N43 and N53. The N54 is well known for being a pretty unreliable car. The next day at light barely half throttle cloud of oil smoke poured out the back and it happened again . Stratified charge performance check, NOx sensor. I cannot do this myself, It will be pricey.. Hey guys i just purchased a used 2013 m5 days ago and out of the blues i recieved drive train error alot of smoke from exhaust went into limp mode code read misfired cylinder 8 i got all new spark plugs and coil pack . *We will focus specifically on the engine for the purpose of this post. A safe purchase? Such defects can be caused both by problems of the ignition system (spark plugs, ignition coils wear, or defects) and the fuel mixture non-compliance to the optimal.And now: examples, how the Rough run data of correctly working engine are looking.Idle: Low required torque (20 .. 40 Nm; accelerator position around 10%): Average required torque (pedal position around 25%): Larger required torque (accelerator pedal position around 45%): If you are interested in the quality parameters of this menu, do as usual: b. turn off the ignition coil of some cylinder for a running engine. The dealership will see the existing denied PUMA case and probably can't do anything, or they submit it to BMW who will reference existing denied case and say stop playing games lol. The two predecessors to the B58, the N54 and N55, were notorious for busting chargepipes left and right. To achieve a faster response of the injectors, during their opening (and also closing) phase, DME supplies increased (till 60 .. 70V) voltage. As with the N55, the B58 engine uses a single twin-scroll turbocharger. Mileage when the failure occured? A Stratified charge doesnt reduce fuel consumption? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Our site is dedicated to all things BMW Tuning related. Stratified charge: disabled. I will start the review with the first menu: analysis of Rough run data. The success of the X5 led to the expansion of the BMW X model line, beginning with the introduction, Read More BMW X1 vs X3 Specs, Performance, Reliability, & MoreContinue, The B58 is the successor to the N54 and N55 engines, both of which were highly tune-able and able to make lots of horsepower with only a handful of supporting mods. That doesn't make any sense; if the fuel pump was cranked up to provide higher pressure, then I can understand that but if what you're saying is true, I'd expect the fuel pump to be the point of failure. Required fields are marked *. Our garage currently includes a 2008 135i, 2007 335i, and 2008 535i. The connecting rods are actually made in one piece. Yes, the B58 crank and rods are forged. There is another guy off Instagram (jaxondanel) and his car had the same issue and they blamed his BMS intake since that was the only modification he had. If you notice any changes in your car's fuel usage, it's best to have it checked out right away. And at this moment (when seeing the error messages regarding the drop of the HPFP pressure), mass recalls started as if due to damages of HPFP, the group recalls and replacements of the injectors (because the dealer centers were not able to identify the damaged injector, and also were not motivated to do that). Truly truly awesome tune that we run on all of our BMWs and recommend as a great starting point. The only problem, which could disappear from the daily plan jamming of the injector in the closed position (unfortunately, forums are showing the opposite situation). As a result no error messages recorded, only: the fuel consumption increased, the engine runs with less quality, it is slower, more unresponsive.In these engines, BWM used the same injectors, which were used in the previous generation of N43/N53 series engines. What is the difference between NOXEM NOx emulator and OEM NOx sensor? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Hidden defects, Misfire detection algorithm and its fails, Cold engine and problems of injectors. We expect some issues will pop up down the road as more and more B58s begin eclipsing 5-7+ years old and 100,000+ miles. Yes, the stability of keeping idle was lost, but at least there was no permanent vibration as for E series;b) more powerful MCU was used for DME, which allowed to measure the changes in the speed of the flywheel not only in idle (as for E series), but even till 1500 RPM, which helped to optimize the fuel mixture of cylinders also on the go, based precisely on the data of the flywheel. Your email address will not be published. Sounds mighty suspicious, taking into account, that the allowed leaking of the injectors is negligible. The efficiency of cylinder No. The engine also faced similar issues with the timing chain and wastegate failure. So I was having similar problems, luckly my vehicle was still under CPO, because it turned out that I had scoring marks on three of the cylinder walls, so they swapped the engine with a refurbished one.. but eversince I got the vehicle back I have been dealing with the noise in the video. have you guys experienced this ? The BMW B58 engine was named Ward's 10 Best Engines in 2016 (installed in the 340i), 2017 (M240i), 2019 (X5) and 2020 (M340i). N43/N53 E and F series. Injen BMW M240 M340 M440 EVOLUTION Cold Air Intake System **NEW PRODUCT**. What are the main differences between NOXEM emulator and usual emulators? If its not the coil pack and spark plugs what could it be? From what I've read this issue was only on 2016 plates and some 17 plates. This creates excessive pollution. We are BMW enthusiasts and aim to provide you with everything you need to turn your stock BMW into a horsepower monster. Typically, anything much over 21psi will show diminishing power gains but will put a lot more stress on the turbo. Rough run. Lieutenant . Checked code and it said cylinder 8 misfired . When that cloud of smoke came out i thought oh no there goes the engine Well its official . But there was a major update done in 2018 and then another for 2020. But the most interesting will only come!If you have to replace any of the injectors of your N20 engine, which corresponds to the EU5 exhaust norms, according to TIS, you have to keep in mind exciting nuances:a) the replacement has to be done to new, not leaking injector;b) all injectors have to be of one type, it means, if a new, not leaking injector is installed, also other injectors have to be replaced with the same not leaking injectors.BMW proudly calls it EU5 to EU6 conversion procedure. N series. Are there any ways to see the health status of the NOx system?, B58. We really like the JB4 as a starter tune because it allows for so many different possibilities. F10/11. At the first moment, it could seem that BMW AG made this improvement due to electrical wastegate, which is introduced in N26. Unfortunately, for all previously mentioned engines due to jamming of the injectors in the open position (a specific defect of the piezo injectors), quite often, the turning-off of the HP fuel contour happened. Time will tell how often its necessary on the B58. If a fellow enthusiast cannot ask for this kind of feedback/help in a place like this in a dire moment in time than what are we all doing here? You can absolutely save money by doing it yourself. What would I do, if I had the engine, equipped with these injectors?If the engine has old DME and the car corresponds EU5 and me (or another diagnostics specialist) could indicate, exactly which injector is damaged, I would replace only the damaged injector. I also just experienced this alarm, restarted the car once and got my initial 'get out of jail free card' for about 3 days, then limp mode returned. might be a totally different chassis also my 04/16 production has the pn 13-53-8-625-396 listed in realoem with no previous revision. 2nd Gen. 1&2 Series (2011-2021 | F20,F21,F22,F23), 1st Gen. 1 Series (2004-2013 | E81, E82, E87, E88). 5. Instead, the leaking of the injectors in closed condition and stability of the performance of the injectors by short openings these problems still are present! Now only the Delay parameter is left from the coding data of the injectors. A fuel leak can be scary for drivers . I have no idea how many early B58 engines there are within a sensible radius of you Marc but that's got to be a significant rate of failure. You are using an out of date browser. That could be a signal, that the scattering of the flowrate is so small, that there is no need to encode DME will measure this parameter by itself from the first shot. However, be cautious of using too much water in colder climates. Unsurprisingly, the success, Read More BMW N54 vs. N55 vs. B58 vs. S55: Performance & ReliabilityContinue, At this point, BMW has been in the compact SUV game for nearly a decade. No scoring problems on my tracked car. What sort of personal outcomes are you looking for? All in all, its not too bad. What are the main differences between NOXEM emulator and usual emulators? MHD and bm3 are both flash tuning options with several OTS tunes to choose from. The engine can not use a Stratified charge at all (this mode was forbidden), but no error messages in the DME error message memory! Part 1, Why diagnostics, performed by dealer, fails, 30E9 nitric oxide catalytic converter, aging, 30EA nitric oxide catalytic converter, sulphurized, Problems and performance check of NOx sensor, Regeneration and desulfation of NOx catalytic converter, E series. Am I going to dig it up, nope, but feel free to use the search button. Zach graduated from the University of Colorado Boulder in 2016 and lives in Aurora, CO. Since the BMW B58 uses an intercooler the temperature of the air entering the intake does not matter much. Dont panic about the cracked part. We wrote an article here about the most common problems on the B58. 2012-2015 BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum. I see people chanting B58 over N54 but i don't see the hype. Part 1. Zach has over a decade of experience working on and writing about cars. Some B58s may even run up to 70-80% water for track duty. Part 2, Importance of the service procedures. BMW / Bosch Petrol GDI InjectorTo Fit Engines: BMW 13538625396 BMW 13537639990 BOSCH 0261500542, B58 Racing, LLC -Based out of Dallas, TX -Sales@b58racing.com. Issues such as HPFP and fuel-injector failures were no problems yet for B58s but let us assess some common ones: Coolant Loss Most are limited to 155mph from the factory. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. The TU1 update is mostly intended to improve emissions. Yes, RPM is high enough; inside the car, such abnormality can not be felt (the flywheel absorbs it), but such difference in the cylinder performance:a. gives increased load on the CO catalytic converters and damages them;b. reduces max torque of the engine;c. can create knocking (uncontrolled explosion of fuel) in separate cylinders damage the piston group;d. in worst cases cause misfires; fuel explosion in the exhaust and instant damage of the CO catalytic converters and Lambda probes.Causes of the defect:a. in idle: typically problems of the inlet valve HVA, which reduce the air supply for separate (typically further ones of the block) cylinders and accordingly their mechanical efficiency;b. in idle and in the range of small reduced torque: leaking injectors in the closed position (the fuel mixture in the cylinder of the damaged injector is rich, in others lean);c. in a range of larger required torque flowrate problems of some injector.Notes. Again, we absolutely love the JB4. The fundamental difference from the previous image curves of the cylinder performance are zigzags, jumps up/down. Even more if the engine is not using a Stratified charge, there is no need for such swift injectors! Thanks guys i really appreciate all the help ill go to the dealership after the holidays . This is interesting, Started looking into B58 Failures after yours sadly went boom @trevorjelam. These are from Bosch who make them for BMW. by bmw. Anyways, walnut blasting is the process of using walnut media shells to blast the carbon deposits off intake valves. Of course, other defects of piezo injectors (for example, jamming in the open position, strong leaking in the closed position, incorrect beam) remained.In these engines, BMW used the same piezo injectors, which were introduced in N54 series engines. What exactly do you expect to achieve here? Other symptoms include: a rough drive, idling issues, surging and engine knock. Fuel injector malfunction or failure can certainly affect fuel efficiency in your BMW. Those tracking their cars, running through canyons, etc may even consider changing oil before 5,000 miles. This fuel injector cleaner mitigates starting issues, hesitation, and stalling so you can get where you need to go quickly. Instead of shopping at the dealer, come to us and save money! Second Lieutenant . There is no perfect answer to this. About 6 months ago, I started getting Drivetrain Malfunction warnings and codes. Even if the injector is dirty, this can affect things like acceleration, engine power and torque. All direct injected engines will likely need this at some point. T#: 2691305 | Part#: B2358417. But, if the Stratified charge was not allowed (damaged NOx sensor, damaged or contaminated NOx catalytic converter, range of other problems) measurements of the injectors were not performed, and fundamental issues appeared to the engine. 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