An e-Mtb allows me to ride farther, and more often and smile from beginning to end, not just the downhill sections! The cheapest Specialized Levo is the Expert model, which sells for just shy of $16K. IMO Shimano bikes are good,but they are 2 steps down compared to Specialized and Bosch. That said, wed prefer if there were more metrics displayed on the main screen to begin with, so you could ditch the GPS altogether. And with brands such as Merida and Canyon making use of internal wiring through the handlebars, the whole arrangement is quite tidy. What is Shimanos take on e*thirteens metallurgic analysis findings? This reduced the tendency for the front wheel to lift on really steep tech climbs. But to give you some numbers, weve consistently achieved around 1,500m of climbing during our 30-50km test rides. Going the right direction in weight reduction. So despite being an engineer the non-linear noisy nature of the reporting makes it very difficult to plan rides and I almost always finish the last few km without assistance for bigger rides. One is a Haibike Fat-Tire with a Yamaha Drive, the second is an absolutely brilliant 40lb (including battery) DIODE from LaMere Cycles in the USA. Purchased an SC Bullit in march and I now have 520 miles on it. The biggest change has been with Trail mode, which now gives you access to the full 85Nm of torque if youre pedalling hard enough. I have no personal experience riding with pedal assist but when I hear the high whiz from the motor I think that would drive me mad too. This will be a far more accurate method for determining your estimated range. No, you're running the latest EP8. Looks like Rocky(Dyname), Giant(Yamaha) and Specialized(Brose) are in for 2021 and Shimano and Bosch are out. That rattle would drive me bonkers. February 22, 2021. 5Nm doesnt sound like much on paper, but on the trail the Levos 2.2 motor is noticeably musclier than Shimano EP8, particularly at the extreme ends of the cadence spectrum. Mkay? Its easy to modulate via how much pressure youre putting through the cranks and the power delivery is progressive, giving it a very natural feel as a result. You are not alone. I haven't had the privelage to ride any bosch equiped bikes or other shimano bikes but this thing is so quiet I think it would be hard to find another ebike motor that is more silent. Side-by-side, the EP8 motor is slimmer around the belly and so offers a skerrick more ground clearance. At 52+ lbs, you're going to be using that motor every pedal stroke. But overall EP8 offers more of a quieter and gentler hum than the whine of the E8000 motor, and its also quieter than the Bosch motor too. I have to admit some of the comments make me laugh out loud while others score some points for being helpful and based on fact, not hearsay fiction. Unfortunately frenchies and Germans are not masters of marketing. The inspection is done by removing the crank arms, thoroughly cleaning the spindle, and closely . Shimano doesnt state what those design differences are, however. Sign in to manage your newsletter preferences. You can't imagine what kind of thought must have gone behind that response? Shimano get your shit together or just say that you're not going to find a fix. He started racing downhill at the tender age of 11 before going on to compete across Europe. JavaScript is disabled. The low profile EM800 display takes up minimal space next to the stem, featuring a crystal-clear screen with colour-coded graphics to easily identify which assist setting youre in. With the Spectral:ON for example, which has very short chainstays and a relatively slack seat tube angle that puts your weight further over the rear axle on steep climbs, it helped to dial down the Assistance Character (to 6/10), the Maximum Torque (to 78Nm) and the Assistance Start (to 4/5) to soften the bikes power and acceleration. That kind of thing can destroy a company's reputation even if it's not something serious . Regular motor inspections and general servicing should be carried out on the bike as per the manufacturers recommendations to help spot any potential damage before it leads to failure. @tomdesoals: Yeah, I get that now that bikes have become more silent anything new that makes noise can become annoying. These combinations meet our strict and exacting quality standards. As mentioned earlier, the Bosch motor does feel punchier than Shimano EP8, with noticeably stronger support at lower cadences. - Numerous battery options, both from Shimano & 3rd parties There's 21-percent more torque (85 N/m total) in Trail and Boost modes. 2c - If preload cap has no threadlock patch pre applied: Weve been living with the Shimano EP8 motor for six months now across three different bikes; the Merida eOne-Sixty, the Polygon Mt Bromo, and the Canyon Spectral:ON. Then theres the BT-8035-L battery, which is a 504Wh battery that shares the same physical dimensions as the 630Wh version. "Unquestionably, Shimano has the cleanest and sleekest display integration on the market". This adjustment has the biggest impact on the motors performance and your total range. If youre sprinting at speed, the Levo feels sticky and lazy in comparison to the drag-free EP8 motor. With 21% greater torque than E8000, the EP8 motor delivers substantially more punch on the trail, and it feels more usable too. Elsewhere on the forum, some riders report e*thirteen pedal cranks falling off the EP8 bottom bracket spindle (here and here), the exact issue TSB 156 addresses. Simply enjoy what you are riding and watch the world, I should say, e-bike world, pass you by, as they are here to stay and while they are not perfect they are probably the best and most exciting thing to happen to the bike industry in 50 years! There are no reported cases of spindle breakage of DU-EP800 when assembled with Shimanos cranks. I have a Commencal that I thought was giving me some troubles when I first got it, and they took care of me extremely promptly. After downloading the free E-Tube Project app, youll need to turn the bike on and pair it with your smartphone. Is this a review for ants? There is zero stickiness at the pedals that we could detect. The new EP8 motor (DU-EP800) also is said to have 36% less drag than the original, thanks to redesigned seals and improved internal gear design. It's kinda frustrating. If you don't like e-bikes for whatever reason, you really have no business even commenting on this review. Non-recommended 3rd party cranks can make a crack in the spindle because the difference in design from Shimanos crank causes increased stress around the spindle hole. Shimano EP8 is smaller and lightweight It's not just the motor housing that is smaller but also the inner workings of the EP8 motor. What would happen if a consumer noticed their axle was cracked in the way described on e*thirteens TSB? I own the Levo SL, and it is the most refined ebike I have ridden so far. - Range estimation is not reliable. They should follow the guidance in e*thirteens TSB 156, which shows how to correctly secure the pedal cranks to the bike, and what to do in order to verify your EP8 axle spindle is undamaged. Basically any minor impact that causes the chain to bounce and tug at the chainring will result in noise. Can they make it swappable with a gear box? Still, the performance in the adaptive E-MTB mode is excellent, with smooth and flexible power delivery, and riders wanting plenty of grunt will certainly dig the Bosch motor. Wed much rather see battery life displayed as a percentage, and the option to customise the screen. On top of that, Shimano also appears to be cool with brands building their bikes with non-Shimano batteries. This is particularly noticeable on traction-poor climbs, even when starting from a standstill. As to how the de-tuned EP8 motor performs? The newly shaped buttons on the EM800-L switch unit provide a nice tactile perch for your thumb to quickly flick between those settings. Power less, battery smaller, it lighter is.. Would "every time you push the on switch" have been more understandable? Uh oh, another one E-triggered. For commercial info: info@eplus.bike. Having spoken with other long-term EP8 and Bosch Gen 4 users, it would appear that for many riders its a non-issue. I read a similar story around christmas on an other forum. My brain constantly struggles with whether 2 bars remaining means I have 21% or 59%I would prefer a continuous power bar or percent. If consumers use the recommended cranks, there should not be any issue this combination meets our strict and exacting quality standards. Then we'll fix that for you. This BT-8036 battery only needs a 4mm hex key to be released from the frame for charging separately, which is unlike Bosch that requires a special key (potentially something else to lose/forget). It is the most underrated comment ever on the pinkbike. And compared to E8000, the new EP8 motor is considerably more powerful on the trail, whilst retaining the smooth and intuitive delivery that weve always dug about Shimanos drive units. Can someone make a bike with 50% - 100% assist? Since working for MBUK, Alexs focus has moved to bike tech. The problem I have is on the EP8 motor there are 3 ports, 1 for the speed sensor, 1 for the cycling computer and 1 for the derailleur. This speed may be enough, but some people may find it very frustrating because from 25 km/h they have to make a gigantic effort to follow their teammates since the assistance is cut off or simply because they want to go faster. e-bikes remove the only non-financial barrier for entry into a sport that historically required at least some small amount of fitness. Limiting the maximum torque is something youll notice more at low cadences in high-load applications rather than general trail riding. What this article says to me is that ebikes are no where never the level of refinement that I would require to give up a normal bike. Currently, I own two e-bikes with a new 2022 Moustache Samedi 26 Fat 4 with the Bosch Motor on its way. I think we lost grit when we all got smart phones. I found this beauty as an example: The reviewer weighs 55kgs. Upon a little digging on the internet, it appears that this functionality is only on offer for Garmin users. I've already posted this on the Commencal Meta SX Power thread, but wondered if other bikes with the Shimano EP8 motor and battery have seen a similar problem. A bike that weighs almost half as much as the rider. e*thirteen cranks are commonly specced on electric mountain bikes fitted with Shimano EP8 motors, by bike brands including Commencal, Marin, Orange and Orbea, among others. The complaints of charge bars on the display and the bike starting without any assistance are non issues for me. Hes one of BikeRadars lead testers and knows how to push bikes and products to the limit, searching out the equipment that represents the best value for money. For the type of riding and trails I do, battery power is not an issue, in fact would look at a smaller battery and weight savings on my next rig. Also the bikes will be heavy as f*ck with an 820Wh battery. There are 5 levels of adjustment from Mild to Quick, with the highest setting requiring only a small rotation with light pedal force to engage the motor. The version I've been riding on was 17,8kg. The EP8s smooth power delivery is mirrored by its exceptionally low drag something that is totally noticeable (or rathernot noticeable) around the 25km/h cutoff point. Durability and ease of maintenence is far more important than power in my world. Sometimes that means a DIY fix and other times it can mean a recall, software update or part replacement by a dealer. The reported cases of drive unit spindle breakages on our DU-EP800 drive units were combined with non-Shimano cranks. A dynamo and regenerative braking is the ONLY thing stopping from buying an e-bike? The brand suggests EP8 owners should inspect their motors spindles for damage or cracks originating from the drilled hole used for the pedal crank retainer hook, located on the splined portion of the axle. I'm not an ebike hater - but (you knew it was coming) - I can't ever see myself being able to justify the expense of one and I wouldn't like to risk a second hand one. Rattling and lack of update to the battery monitoring is a no go for me, I would just upgrade the battery to the new 620s if i could fit it. it's been quite awhile and still no fix . Overall it is a very refined system though. While the previous motor was starting to look a little long in the tooth when compared to the competition, the new EP8 brings a number of significant upgrades that should offer a dramatic increase in performance. Pickup is faster too, with less hesitation between pedalling and torque being delivered to the rear tyre. Along with the EP8s magnesium casting, heat sinks and polished logos, it affords a classy look not an easy feat for an e-MTB. So, when the sensor senses a negative elevation gain, the dynamo kicks in to recharge the battery. I have this motor. Bunny hops were absolutely a blast on this bike. Another bike that features Shimano EP8 is the new Orbea Rise. It's significantly more muscle, which was much-needed in order for Shimano to keep . I have not heard of a recall, so I did some digging. This means its impossible to tell whether you have 21% or 39% battery remaining. They need to get their old skunk works team back together and gain real world feedback before promoting vaporware. So far so good. Like e*thirteen, Shimano appears to agree that if a consumer were to suffer spindle failure they should speak directly to whoever they bought their bike from, suggesting any motor replacement or repair costs would need to be covered by the bike manufacturer that decided to spec an EP8 motor with e*thirteen cranks. I've spent some time on this motor and it's one of the first to feel organic in the way it adjusts to the rider's pedaling. This also allows brands to more neatly integrate the motor into their frame designs, Canyon having done a particularly swell job with the Spectral:ON. You can improve efficiency by limiting the maximum torque, though it is still possible to get maximum power out of the motor by pedalling at a higher cadence, so you wont necessarily get more range by limiting torque. Already have an account with us? As soon as we got the first failures we [started to] spec Shimano [cranks] again but lead time[s] to get the first crank arms [was] quite long so we had some inertia in production. Basically, the battery level drops from around 30% to 2% extremely quickly. While some frames will resonate more than others, the noise is otherwise normal, and it doesnt take long before your brain subconsciously ignores it. What ever happened to grit?!?! Lapierre e-zesty. 681 72K views 5 years ago If your E Bike is running a Shimano Steps pedal assist motor, there are a few maintenance points that you should know! I have never posted a comment here on pinkbike, however this article in particular is hitting a nerve. Start with a full battery, select the Trail mode, and see how far you can go before you run out of juice. Alex then moved back to the UK and put his vast knowledge of mountain biking to good use by landing a job working for MBUK magazine as features editor. You dont necessarily go further, but you will be riding and climbing faster. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. You can hear it in the workshop just by lifting the rear wheel and dropping it on the ground, where it sounds a bit like a loose pebble bouncing around inside a wooden box. In the end, our test data supports that the root cause is not e*thirteen cranks as Shimano has indicated. When youre descending down the trail, the volume and resonance are amplified. Save 30% + G-Form Pro X3 Knee Pads when you subscribe to MBUK magazine. Its also given us plenty of opportunity to identify all the little quirks, while getting a better impression of long-term durability and performance. In comparison, you can get a Polygon Mt Bromo N8 with a Shimano EP8 motor for $7,899 AUD. Specializeds Mission Control app continues to be the market leader in terms of connectivity, tuning options and user-friendliness. I don't know anyone that likes a bike that rattles in any way or form. The three EP8 bikes weve tested all have sub-440mm rear centre lengths, which is quite a bit shorter than the 471.5mm rear centre on the Giant Trance X E+ with its much bulkier Yamaha motor, for example. Are we ignoring the fact that motor has been recalled/reworked by Shimano, and pushing all new bike deliveries by two months (at least)? As well as being smaller, lighter and more efficient, the new EP8 drive unit also packs more punch with up to 85Nm of torque, bringing it up to speed with the latest power plants from Bosch, Yamaha and Brose/Specialized. As it stands, you have to use the small button at the base of the display to manually scroll through additional pages just to see your cadence, estimated range and the time. Maybe in a next generation they can implement an optional solution analog to what we're already seeing f bicycle chains. "- Only five power bars for charge level.". On top of that, you cant tune the Bosch motor like you can with EP8 theres no fancy app, and the stock assist settings arent adjustable what you see is what you get. I think the only way it can get even close (And still doesn't) to that statement, is riding 25km on an analogue, or 50km on an ebike. However, when coasting on rough terrain the unloaded system can exhibit a normal clicking sound that may be detectable to the rider. I rode an e bike and suffered a little bit yesterday. Absolutely. Plus the prices will drop as the tech becomes cheaper and can be offered at lower prices. Otherwise I do not care. Wowzers! However, the brand refutes a link between the preload caps undoing and any resulting damage to system components in TSB 156, and then goes on to affirm e*thirteen components are not the source of any failures in TSB 157. Funny that motor has a gear box, but only one gear? 2. From what I get from the article, what would actually bother me more is how it kicks in from a standstill or trackstand. He was pretty happy about ANT compatibility. In fact, we found ourselves tuning it out completely a couple of rides later. The updated Trail mode is brilliant, and the option to fine-tune each assist mode is a welcome feature for achieving the desired feel while maximising range. Sell it to me, bet ya cant specially at a respectable 90 keys. How many instances of this problem has Shimano encountered? All e-Bike assist mode gets disabled during the downhill slopes. I tested a few Merida bikes with Shimano motor and they have some bugs in first versions,quite annoying stupid things force you to reset the bike sometimes. I think Shimano is taking these issues very seriously. Take note of how much elevation you achieve during those rides (elevation is more important than distance when determining range), and keep that number in mind when youre planning future all-day epics. Its clear why this motor is becoming popular with so many bike brands, given the flexibility it offers frame designers, particularly with the variety of battery options on offer. I despise young people buying ebikeswhat a bunch of lazy. The freewheel is still in the (regular) rear hub so when you're not pedaling, nothing in the motor-bottombracket assembly should be moving, isn't it? Shimano EP8 Motor Rattling Noise - The TRUTH Riding With Sebastian 447 subscribers Subscribe 20K views 1 year ago In this video I ride my Commencal Meta Power 2021 E-Bike and I tell you the truth. In the lower settings, youll have to pedal really hard to get maximum support the motor. The cause is due to the difference in design from Shimanos crank, which causes increased stress around the spindle hole.. Despite the musclier performance, weve had excellent results in terms of range, with the Bosch motor regularly achieving more miles and elevation over EP8. Let us know what you find out. In a closed Facebook group called Shimano EP8 Owners, there are also reports of EP8 spindle failures. - Strong but very well-tuned power delivery While the increased power certainly grabs most of the headlines, we reckon its the compact form of the Shimano EP8 drive unit that offers the greatest advantage over its competitors. But please don't anyone kid themselves that it's as much of a work out as an analogue bike, if there was no mechanical advantage over analogue what would be the benefit. But it is not anywhere near the same engine in everything else. The way the 2.2 motor smooths out un-smooth rider input is very impressive, giving it the most natural feel on the trail of any full-power motor weve tested. the rattle it because the sprag bearing that used to be used in most motors has been replaced by DT swiss style star ratchet drive rings. Anyone having problems with the charger? The Shimano EP8 RS of the Orbea Rise does not present physical differences concerning the EP8 that we can see mounted on other e-mtb's. Its dimensions and weight are the same. According to Shimano, the EP8 motor offers a 36% reduction in drag over the old E8000 motor, and we're inclined to believe that claim. On the trail the tone of the clack is a little deeper than the EP8 drive unit, but the cause is the same. Any rider who owns an ebike with an EP8 motor fitted with e*thirteen cranks currently has two options. These findings are the result of an independently commissioned investigation by e*thirteen, after the brand became aware of reports that EP8 spindles were failing on bikes fitted with its ebike cranks. We see some comments about how bad the Shimano EP8 motor is. Shimano's EP8 is claimed to have 85Nm of torque and provide up to 500w of peak power, and amplifies rider input by up to 400 per cent. Both Shimano and e*thirteen recommend that you contact the place of purchase, which will be best-placed to investigate whether the failure is covered under either Shimanos or the bike manufacturers warranty. Simply enjoy what you are riding and watch the world, I should say, e-bike world, pass you by, as they are here to stay and while they are not perfect they are probably the best and most exciting thing to happen to the bike industry in 50 years! This allows bike companies to engineer a single frame, while offering cheaper models with a 504Wh battery, and high-end models with a 630Wh battery. It's like a dirt bike with a 15 mile range. - Tuning options are simple and effective Their new ride algorithms make the EP8 one of the most natural feeling motors out there, with plenty of power to propel the bike over obstacles, even if Bosch and Brose are still a bit punchier and deliver slightly more power. Their heckler had complete battery failure, the ship date for a new one is close to the motor ship date. "While we dont expect people to ride with their phone on their handlebars when mountain biking" - Buddy, you must not have seen many e-bike riders. We suspect the amount of riding required to replicate this problem far exceeds the number of kilometres an average bike tester will do on any given model. In terms of improvements, EP8 is marginally lighter (300g) and smaller in volume (10%) over the old E8000 motor. Der Shimano EP8 ist kleiner und leichter Nicht nur das Motorgehuse ist kleiner, auch das Innenleben des EP8 Motors. The belt-driven design is also a touch quieter when pedalling, and theres no clacking noise either. I mean, one of the most beautiful things about the bicycle is how efficient and capable it is of traveling long distances under our own power. The current spares situation is shocking, l've been waiting six weeks for a battery lock for my E8000 equipped Kona and have been told "June" is the earliest l can expect to see it. Put on i9 Hydra hubs, annoying motor rattle sounds disappears. If a dynamo can be worked into the wheel hubs, you may even get near perpetual charging while the system is in use. They must be under pressure to deliver units as this is at best rushed. 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